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		+	===Response from BUFORA===
		+	From: Richard Conway [mailto:science@bufora.org.uk] <br />
		+	Sent: 01 April 2010 09:33<br />
		+	To: James Moore<br />
		+	Cc: seufos@googlemail.com; enquiries@bufora.org.uk; stheatherd77@aol.com<br />
		+	Subject: Re: You have nothing on the largest UFO case in history
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		+	Hello James,
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		+	Thanks for your email.
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		+	As you should have realised by our name we are the British UFO Research Association. It's good to see that you are keeping an information repository of well-known sightings. Indeed, BUFORA has written numerous articles paraphrasing existing research into the Billy Meier case which is available via eBay through 50 years of our magazine archives. Swiss ufology is not our primary aspect of research this should be left to Swiss UFO research organisations. Our role is more the accumulation and eventual identification of British sightings through diligent investigation.
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		+	Having not researched this case at all throughout our history for the above reason it would not be expedient to copy information that you and others are publishing. There is also enough information in the public domain for this case and when we go through a site redesign we will provide a link for interested parties. With regard to a scientific analysis of physical evidence I'm not sure we can contribute much in this area and with regard to witness evidence after 35 years passing all our experience tells us that no new information can reliably be recorded after the passing of so much time.
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		+	Regards,
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		+	Richard Conway<br />
		+	BUFORA Science Officer<br />
		+	Bsc/Msc (Hons) Computer Science, Bsc Physical Science, Bsc (Hons) Economics

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-* URL on Meier: Initially found no information on Meier so posted a response on a forum thread at [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufoforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1407&PID=13783 My take on the UFO phenomena and human origins]
+* URL on Meier: Initially found no information on Meier so posted a response on a forum thread at [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufosite/ufo-magazine-forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1928&KW=&PID=16960#16960 My take on the UFO phenomena and human origins]
 * Initial Verdict: See 2nd thread below.
-* Action Taken: Posted response to a thread [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufosite/ufo-magazine-forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1928&KW=&PID=16960#16960 here]
+* Action Taken: Posted the following response to the above forum thread.
 Good original post Darkstar. I too experienced something similar during my search for the truth. You could also call it an awakening. I eventually found my version of the truth when I read about Eduard Albert Meier and his contactors, the Plejaren. Have you researched this contactee case at all anyone?

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-* URL on Meier: Initially found no information on Meier so posted a response at [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufoforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1407&PID=13783 My take on the UFO phenomena and human origins]
+* URL on Meier: Initially found no information on Meier so posted a response on a forum thread at [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufoforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1407&PID=13783 My take on the UFO phenomena and human origins]
 * Initial Verdict: See 2nd thread below.
 * Action Taken: Posted response to a thread [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufosite/ufo-magazine-forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1928&KW=&PID=16960#16960 here]

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 * URL on Meier: Several negative posts in forum in an old thread [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufosite/ufo-magazine-forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1407 Billy Meier , Contactee or conman ?]
-* Initial Verdict: Most seem taken in by the hoaxed photos and presume they were hoaxed by Meier himself with no consideration for other logical explanations.
+* Initial Verdict: All forum poster seem taken in by the UFO photos and presume they were hoaxed by Meier himself with no consideration for other logical explanations for their alleged discrepancies.
-* Action Taken: I also posted the following reply to the above old thread.
+* Action Taken: I posted the following reply to the above thread.
 I've found this thread thanks to google search. I hope you don't mind me bringing this old thread out of retirement? I like a good banter and hope you all do too. I am pro-Meier by the way but yes, I'm still a human being you know, from Earth. :D

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-* I also posted the following reply to this old thread [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufosite/ufo-magazine-forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1407 Billy Meier , Contactee or conman ?]
+* URL on Meier: Several negative posts in forum in an old thread [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufosite/ufo-magazine-forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1407 Billy Meier , Contactee or conman ?]
 I've found this thread thanks to google search. I hope you don't mind me bringing this old thread out of retirement? I like a good banter and hope you all do too. I am pro-Meier by the way but yes, I'm still a human being you know, from Earth. :D

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 * I also posted the following reply to this old thread [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufosite/ufo-magazine-forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1407 Billy Meier , Contactee or conman ?]
-I've found this thread thanks to google search. I hope you don't mind me bringing this old thread out of retirement? I like a good banter and hope you all do too. I am pro-Meier by the way but yes, I'm still a human being you know, from Earth. LOL
+I've found this thread thanks to google search. I hope you don't mind me bringing this old thread out of retirement? I like a good banter and hope you all do too. I am pro-Meier by the way but yes, I'm still a human being you know, from Earth. :D
 I see that many of you seem to know a hoax when you "see" one using a very small amount of data i.e. some photos, videos and your life experiences thus far. I'd like to give you my perspective on the case by responding to some of your opinions. I have read extensively on the case and would like to stir some debate in the Ufological community.
-Darkstar: There are several photos of alien craft which all bear remarkable resemblances , most are pictured next to exactly the same tree and positioned in such a way as to leave no light between tree and craft , giving the appearance that the craft is somehow attached to the tree.
+''Darkstar: There are several photos of alien craft which all bear remarkable resemblances , most are pictured next to exactly the same tree and positioned in such a way as to leave no light between tree and craft , giving the appearance that the craft is somehow attached to the tree.''
 Regarding the top photos the tree was proven to be a large tree and not a miniature because a photo was taken of it with a man standing next to it ( http://theyfly.com/newsflash5/Skeptic%27s_Last_Gasp.html ). If the tree is not a miniature and Adobe Photoshop did not exist back then therefore the craft is not a miniature. Regarding the second tree, it is not bending due to the craft's weight as it might do if it were large and attached to the tree and made from metal. The tree is not a miniature. 5 forestry professors have stated this fact ( http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash5/tree.htm scroll a third of the way down the page). The craft are therefore not miniature. The craft would have cost thousands of USD in 1975 terms to make one . Meier was very poor and has one arm. The Plejaren want us to use logic when examining the evidence and did not want to make it easy to see it was a real craft. Logic therefore states that the craft in these photos is a large and real object in most photos. Several hundred out of 1400+ photos were tampered with by negative third parties and distributed into the ufo community years ago.
-Darkstar: The grainy video footage he provides , whilst looking very impressive for the date it was shot , today looks almost comical.Asif the craft were held up and jiggled around on a string.
+''Darkstar: The grainy video footage he provides , whilst looking very impressive for the date it was shot , today looks almost comical.Asif the craft were held up and jiggled around on a string.''
 Did you notice the sudden change in direction of the craft that would be impossible to do with strings? Did you notice the bending of the tree due to some kind of force, possibly wind as the craft passes over it? Logic states that it is most probably a real craft.
-Darkstar: Dont get me started on the supposed "wedding cake" UFO !
+''Darkstar: Dont get me started on the supposed "wedding cake" UFO !''
 And you happen to know that all real space craft in the entire universe do not look like wedding cakes? I don't either but that's what you're saying with that sentence.
-Darkstar: Another of his claims is that these beings are aware of everything that will happen in our future.However he also claims that the same race of beings gave UFO technology to the Nazis during world war 2 as they thought they would use it to help forge a safer and more understanding world.How is this possible if they could see into our future ?
+''Darkstar: Another of his claims is that these beings are aware of everything that will happen in our future.However he also claims that the same race of beings gave UFO technology to the Nazis during world war 2 as they thought they would use it to help forge a safer and more understanding world.How is this possible if they could see into our future ?''
 When they travel into or compute the future they can only see the most probable events. The Plejaren are also human being, like you and me and thus are fallible. They did not see the Giza Intelligences aka The Bafath influence Adolf Hitler via the Thule Society early enough to prevent him from going down the wrong path. They monitored him and sent him telepathic impulses for his supposed mission to bring peace to our world but after he was corrupted the telepathic impulses had no effect, and their directives prevented the Plejaren from directly interfering by, for example, assassinating The Bafath and the Thule Society members.
-Darkstar: There is also a photograph said to be taken when Meier travel into the past and witnessed a dinosaur which again looks absolutely ridiculous.
+''Darkstar: There is also a photograph said to be taken when Meier travel into the past and witnessed a dinosaur which again looks absolutely ridiculous.''
 I've explained how many photos were tampered with already. Some more info: The Plejaren discovered the tampering and attempted to eliminate all of the photos of The Great Journey Meier took into the past and future that were already in the public domain however they were not 100% successful.
-Darkstar: Whilst there is no doubt that this man has led an incredible life I find it very difficult to believe that what this man claims in regard to the UFO phenomenon very hard to believe.
+''Darkstar: Whilst there is no doubt that this man has led an incredible life I find it very difficult to believe that what this man claims in regard to the UFO phenomenon very hard to believe.''
 Believe nothing, use reason, logic, wisdom and intellect. You also need to do more research if you want to find the truth. It is not reasonable to judge an ET contactee case until you have studied most of the information about it that is available to you. I haven't found anything yet that could not be explained logically.
-Zebedee: The general consensus is that it is all one big silly hoax.
+''Zebedee: The general consensus is that it is all one big silly hoax.''
-I did read somewhere that a couple of pictues taken by him were examined and shown to be "interesting" in so much as the size of the Crafts in the photos were not deemed to be model sized, as it were.
+''I did read somewhere that a couple of pictues taken by him were examined and shown to be "interesting" in so much as the size of the Crafts in the photos were not deemed to be model sized, as it were.''
-Realistically, we can only work on the balance of probability that it is all a hoax, it really needs to be proved.
+''Realistically, we can only work on the balance of probability that it is all a hoax, it really needs to be proved.''
 It is all one big silly hoax? Does this statement sound probable now that you have a little more information on the case? I think not but it still might to you. Some people in the UFO community say that his evidence is too good to be true. Do they want blurry UFO pictures forever? What is the point in that? Its illogical. Have you read all the scientific evidence, reports and analyses? If not, then surely coming to a conclusion already is premature don't you think? Perhaps Ufology for you is just a hobby and you don't "do" reading big reports and entire websites. If so, perhaps thats something you also need to rectify.
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 The evidence that Meier has given us is more than enough for anyone who can be bothered to study it. It seems to me that being "bothered" might be the biggest wall in front of us that still needs a good sledge hammer sent at it.
-I hope this rings a few bells inside your consciousness. Now please ring some of mine. Tongue Lets bring Ufology out of the dark ages.
+I hope this rings a few bells inside your consciousness. Now please ring some of mine. :P Lets bring Ufology out of the dark ages.
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 * URL on Meier: Many threads on Billy Meier in the site forum, do a search at http://www.abovetopsecret.com
 * Initial Verdict: Most posters on forum believe Meier is a hoaxer
-* Action Taken: None taken (Michael Horn tried to help them in [http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread82321/pg1 this forum thread], but it appears they cowardly deleted this and other threads bar the first few responses. They are beyond help.)
+* Action Taken: None taken (Michael Horn tried to help them in [http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread82321/pg1 this forum thread], but it appears they deleted this thread and other threads bar the first few responses. Quite a cowardly act indeed. They are beyond help. Leave them to their ignorance I say.)
 * Message Sent: None

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 * URL on Meier: Several negative posts in forum in general e.g. http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufoforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1407&PID=13783
-* Initial Verdict: Most seem taken in by the hoaxed photos and presume they were hoaxed by Meier himself with no consideration to third party involvement.
+* Initial Verdict: Most seem taken in by the hoaxed photos and presume they were hoaxed by Meier himself with no consideration for other logical explanations.
 * Action Taken: Posted response to a thread [http://www.ufomagazine.co.uk/ufosite/ufo-magazine-forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1928&KW=&PID=16960#16960 here]
 * Message Sent: See below

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