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Talk:Climate change - The facts and an important Plea

2010-08-25T20:39:28Z

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== Bigfoot said ... ==

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I have the greatest gratitude for BEAM because he decided to bring The Goblet of Truth and make it available to all/everyone sooner (2010) rather than later (2017) as was the original plan.

--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 05:32, 12 August 2010 (BST)
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== Alive said ... ==

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He decided to bring Kelch der Wahrheit sooner? Why is that?

--Alive 18:56, 12 August 2010 (BST)
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== Reg said ... ==

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Concerning all pages like this one. Please divide this almost endless reading in small chapters with small headings. It makes these pages easier to read. Thank You!

--Reg 13:15, 15 August 2010 (BST)
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== Reg said ... ==

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Concerning all pages like this one. Please divide this almost endless reading in small chapters with small headings. It makes these pages easier to read. Thank You!

--Reg 13:43, 15 August 2010 (BST)
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== Michael Vanderpool said ... ==

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Thank you Weis. This is an outstanding article, I learned some new information from it that is profound. I appreciate your efforts, and insight. Climate change and it's affect on food supply, and so many other things is upon us, and if we don't waken up to that, we cannot begin to change things for the better.

--Michael Vanderpool 20:23, 15 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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A very well thought out article Nicholas. A very logical approach and explanation of the situation. I've corrected the grammar where I thought possible. But since I only scored an average grade C in English language at school I would not consider it perfect (yes I know nothing is perfect in this universe.... :D)

Thanks

James

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:23, 16 August 2010 (BST)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Thank you dear James Webmaster for your Help and Thank you for the flowers. ;))

Salome and peace and Harmony be with you all.

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 10:47, 16 August 2010 (BST)
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== Selena said ... ==

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Hi Jemesm.

I would like to know who wrote this article. Who is NW and from where is he? Thanks.

I also read the article of the need of always telling the truth, always. Namely, lets suppose that, for instance, Hitler's Nazis are searching for a little Jewish girl, lets say 14 year old, who escaped them and, accidentally, hid in my house and I accidentally saw that. The these bloodthirsty cruel German soldiers knock on my door and ask me if I saw a little Jewish girl hiding from them. They also tell me that when they find her, they are going to take her to the concentration camp, gang-rape her, torture her and then kill her. Is it the right thing to tell the truth also in cases like this?

--Selena 21:32, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Schantz said ... ==

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Selena,

Have you seen this article?

Should One Always Tell The Truth No Matter What?

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_28

--Schantz 21:39, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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Talk:21st August 2010 - The worst floods in the entire history of Pakistan

2010-08-25T20:33:35Z

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== Mark said ... ==

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The prophets were spot on about us seeing catastrophies of such a massive scale. The next 2 years are suppose to be the worst. I sure hope people find kindness in themselves to help others any way they can through volunteer or donation because many will need help. All territories of the world are facing some natural occurence. Let's be prepared to mobilize quickly.

--Mark 06:25, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Bigfoot said ... ==

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People think that time travel is impossible...yet they mostly think that the coming events cannot affect them because when they die they don't come back to the Earth. How cruel can one be to procreate and then tell their children...it is your problem son/daughter...when I die I won't be coming back. I was shopping in Wallmart the other day and over heard conversation between an employee and a elderly couple. The employee was bragging to them about her 14 grandchildren. I thought she acted so proud/unknowing.

--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 18:44, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== jesus goldfarb said ... ==

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"Of course, all Earth humans are equally to blame for our current population" ---- Are they? I have no children, therefore I am not contributing to the problem. Billy Meier has children as well as many members of FIGU. I wish these FIGU people would practice what they preach instead of talking like hypocrites.

--jesus goldfarb 21:11, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Jesus, I think you may have a good point on the one hand. It's initially a bit unfair of me to place the blame equally on all humans. However upon further contemplation my logic is sound. Does simply existing and adding to the population cause us to take the blame? Not really, we are not in control of whether we are born or not. Should it be a case of only those who have children are to blame? No, we can reduce the population even with 3 children per couple (by requiring that several prerequisites are satisfied before procreation is permitted, for example). Perhaps the blame should be laid at the feet of governments whose job it is to protect us? No, because the people grant power to the government and can take it away. Or the media companies who encourage sexual irresponsibility? No, because they only affect a subset of the population. Or the religions that are against contraception? No, same reason. Answer this: Who were responsible for the Nazi atrocities during World War 2? The Nazis or the people of Germany who voted them into power or, through inaction, failed to ensure that they stayed out of power? I would say the adults of Germany in 1932 were to blame. Since overpopulation is a current and escalating problem we should all take the blame and responsibility until we have averted from our dangerous course. We all need to take action against overpopulation and it is irresponsible not to do so. Only children can be deemed innocent in my opinion.

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:50, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Cat Johnson said ... ==

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A tragedy on immense proportions. I'm saddened to my core on what we're doing to our beautiful earth.

I sit here in my lovely home, unable to comprehend what those people are going through. What can I do? I'm passing this information from Billy on to as many people as will listen.

--Cat Johnson 02:33, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== jesus goldfarb said ... ==

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Jamesm.

Naturally, I must disagree with your logic on this matter.

The nazis of WW2 were a corrupt political movement that few in germany could have foreseen or stopped.

Overpopulation is a problem that has little to do with votes or elections. It's a personal choice that people make, or in my case a choice that I don't make.

A person cannot have children and then tell other people not to breed without looking like a total loser. There is no sound logic in being an apologist for such hypocrisy. Merely mistakes and learning.

saalome

--jesus goldfarb 07:38, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Jesus perhaps blame is the wrong word to use, but perhaps it is more certain that we should at least all take full responsibility for reducing the population to a sustainable level. Where should the blame lie for our current situation? That's a big question. Can you help me answer that question, please?

On the other topic of having children, are you saying Meier and FIGU people with children are hypocrites for having children when they say that others should not have children? If so then you misinterpreted their message. They (FIGU) never said people should not have children. FIGU have proposed that we reduce the population, to at least 2 billion but half a billion is better, through a global birth control programme that could involve alternating periods of procreation-permitted and procreation-forbidden. Do you still think he is a hypocrite?

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:32, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Dear Jesus,

I have no children.

Not many but only a few members of the CG in FIGU have children, the majority is single and are adults. The reason why some have already children is also because they came to FIGU already when having the children. And James is correct, the number of children should be minimised to 3 at max per woman, and also only persons/couples who are able (financially, to provide the education and psychologically) to raise children, should get some. Of course you are right when you say that you do not conrtibute to the problem :) this is already something, but this does not change anything in the world situation right now. If this (at max 3 children/women/suited couple) is not applied globally there will be no success.

Also many environmentalists, or persons who are worried about nature, are trying their best to save it, but this will never stop climate change and the destruction of the flora and fauna until world wide measures are taken. They are certainly doing the beginning and their best, for what i say my thanks to them, no question about that, but it has to take a wider scope to be successfull. (f.ex a change in the economic system is needed or in the way of living of us all)

Salome

--Neckel 08:20, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Schantz said ... ==

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James,

While I totally agree with you article, I don't agree with your very conservative number of 100 million homeless and hungry. Unfortunately the numbers are much higher.

Maybe this was a typo error on your part? If not, can you provide a source for this low estimation in my opinion?

I know you mean well, but I think the problem is much worse than what you stated.

Thanks

Schantz

--Schantz 22:45, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Schantz, 100 million was a conservative guess. What is a probably more accurate figure in your opinion for deaths this century due to natural catastrophes? I noticed that the article [[What is announced comprehensively for the third millennium prophetically and predictively]] mentions millions will lose their lives but I don't know of any other article which could help me with a more accurate or precise number.

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 23:02, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Ufofacts said ... ==

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Blaming one person for the current situation and not oneself is not correct. Think about it the next time you get into your car, go to the toilet, throw your rubbish into the bin, buy new wooden furniture.

All this contributes to the problems. The fact that there is too many humans on this planet is why when ever we do the above mentioned and other things we all contibute to over loading the system.

Jesus, is your mother and father to blame for pro-creating you?

I know persons who did not know about the overpopulation problem before they had children. This is not their fault. We have been told not only by Meier but others for decades now about the overpopulation problem but the powers that be suppress this information.

So if you want to blame someone or you feel it necessary you should blame the persons in possitions of power who through their own stupidity hide the facts. Thus persons do not get the information and get mislead down a dark path.

Salome

--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User "Ufofacts")]] 23:40, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Schantz sorry I'm deluding myself. I mentioned 100 million '''refugees''' in the article and it was just a guess. What do you think is more probable?

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 23:45, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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I think I get confused now and again. Perhaps I need to meditate more!

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 23:46, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Stephen I think I agree with your comment. I realised it was wrong to blame everyone equally and so I amended to article appropriately. I'm going to research this more to find out Billy's opinion on where the blame lies.

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 23:48, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Ufofacts said ... ==

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Hi James

My thinking is if a person knows about overpopulation and then tries to hide the facts then he/she is more to blame for the problem because they add to the problem with their hiding and falsification of the facts.

Thus the problem does not get better but gets worse because nothing is done to solve the problem or put the problem on a path to a resolution.

For some help for you to read about Billy's opinion you can try the following

[[The Crime Against All Life]]

"Generally the average human beings on the good Mother Earth do not know what monstrous damage they cause to nature and the planet itself with their overpopulation, because they are fooled and deceived by those responsible for the world, indeed by the governors and the scientists.

So the majority of Earth humanity also knows nothing about how climatic warming has very much worse and more monstrous catastrophic results for the Earth, its nature and for all life, than the persons in charge officially announce through inadequate information. "

[[http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_032]]

"And the origin of everything is overpopulation, which, however, neither humanity nor the responsible scientists, authorities and governments want to accept as true.

The more humans there are, the bigger become the entire environmental problems of interpersonal relationships, humans living together, illnesses, epidemics and criminality as well as wrongdoing and wars, and so forth.

And what is resolved, and eventually implemented, regarding climate protection and so forth, ends in a farce because the responsible ones are so stupid that they cannot think into the future, consequently, they do not see that their resolved and perhaps implemented measures, are only a drop of water on an ever increasingly hot stone.

That is therefore so, because, in the time in which the measures eventually become reified, Earth's population increases by hundreds of millions again, and thereby naturally also all the problems, whereby the implemented measures to protect the environment already become worthless before they have even only begun.

All the responsible ones are too stupid and narrow-minded to recognize that help in regard to the protection of the environment can thereby only be provided when the resolved measures, or the measures yet to be resolved, for the protection of the environment and the protection of the climate, and so forth, are only useful in association with a regulation for a global halt to births.

But as long as this is not recognized and is not implemented, so climb the problems of the destruction of the environment, energy problems, illnesses, epidemics, criminality, wrongdoing, wars and family dramas, absent interpersonal relationships, race-hate, xenophobia, hate between and among humans and religious hatred and so forth."

Of course there is much more about overpopulation, to much to flood this page with.

Also I would just like to say that I am not saying this is Billy's opinion on overpopulation and who is to blame. But he speaks harshly about the persons in possitions in power etc.

Hope this helps

Salome

--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User "Ufofacts")]] 00:03, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Selena said ... ==

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Hi Ufofacts.

I have a question for you. What do you do, when everyone you tell about overpopulation and the need for population reduction through birth control, becomes angry and offended? I have warned many people and almost everyone reacted in this way, accusing me of being against life, baby hater, against peoples right to found families and pass their legacy onto their children, ...., accusing me and telling to other people of me being crazy, eventually not even wanting to talk to me anymore. People also tell me that I am for population reduction only because I have no children on my own. These people certainly didn't pass the information about overpopulation any further, and by telling people that I am crazy, nobody else wants to talk to me anymore.

What do you do then? Are you also then, what You said: "If a person knows about overpopulation and then tries to hide the facts then he/she is more to blame for the problem because they add to the problem with their hiding and falsification of the facts.

Thus the problem does not get better but gets worse because nothing is done to solve the problem or put the problem on a path to a resolution. "

I don't have children of my own, and don't intend having them, but can't spread the info about overpopulation. So, am I still being blamed for the problem of overpopulation, just because people don't want to listen to me?

--Selena 20:32, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Schantz said ... ==

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Hi Selena,

I hope you don't mind me jumping in here. You may be planting seeds in people that may take years to bear fruit.

I would rather state the facts and offend people, than to say nothing. To know that more children, more humans, and all life on planet Earth will suffer the consequences of the growing overpopulation catastrophe, and do nothing is unacceptable to me. If I'm offending people or they think I'm crazy and won't talk to me anymore then so be it. I have also experienced the same reactions from people as stated above.

This is the choice I've made for myself. I'm doing it for all life, including humans whether they appreciate or not.

If you can't take the negativity that comes with speaking about the overpopulation problem, then maybe you could find another outlet to inform people.

--Schantz 21:33, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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Talk:Sirian

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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Jamesm,

Do you delete the comments made by Drekx Omega? If yes, too bad, it could have served as a reminder to others he/she may have mislead and continued by others of such capacity. A "testament" or example to avoid being swayed away from Creational teachings.

It was an excellent exercise of fruitily and I would have loved to do a summary analysis in short order so that others on the fringe may have a direct exposure from the frauds who are out there in lala land, but can cause terrible damage to those not familiar to BEAM's mission.

Maybe it could be revised, taking out the abusive language and personal attacks and just concentrating on the topic at hand? Just my opinion.

Saalome

--Hawaiian 22:33, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Hawaiian I think the following line from Jmmanuel provide us with the answer to that suggestion:

''It is better to let an unreasonable person walk on the path of misery than to bring confusion to one's own consciousness''. Page 110 - The Talmud of Jmmanuel. I've recently been reading it again.

Drekx was bringing confusion to others with his lies and untruths and so we should not allow that to happen. By deleting the conversation others will not have a chance to become confused by him.

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 22:56, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Zameen said ... ==

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Before i discovered BEAM, I was looking at everything for information on UFO's and all related articles and topics. for some reason, when i saw pics of Billy, I stayed away from him for some reason and I am still unsure why. I found the Galactic Federation of Light and became pretty interested, wanted to know more so I searched out everything I could find. I must have listened to 4 months of that computer voice and at first I must admit I kinda believed it. I was whisked away with the thoughts of being "whisked away" so that I did not have worry about our past discretion's and we were going to be magically lifted into highly evolved states all at the same time, under the polar ice caps, in crystal chambers. soon all these "channeler's" begin to pop up constantly and the computer voice became less grammatically correct, the tone and verbiage was taking on a less serious tone and through the inevitable degradation of too many people trying to do it, just became too stupid to go along with. the ideas smack of other ideas, philosophies,etc. i explored Barbara Marciniak, she was trying to say that the " pleadians wanted women to dabble remnants of their menses in each corner of the property to strengthen some kind of spiritual bond or something totally ridiculous. I found George Green and he just sounded like Alex Jones all over again. I had my go with that guy and found him to be utterly not listenable. And finally ended up listening to everything R. Winters had on youtube. including the 150 part series on BEAM. when I finally went to the FIGU site, the first thing I saw was a list of all these people plus a bunch more that FIGU was warning against. I found that to be very interesting and since then as they say "the rest is history. I have found more than just information, but a steady, consistent, stream of deep knowledge, strong philosophy, and totally corroborative insight in regards to prophecy and prediction. I find myself applying these things to my everyday life and am met with good reaction from the world around me. I know that I will continue this exploration for the remainder of my days and hopefully be re-acquainted with this bountiful and generous organization in the next lives to come!! SALOME:)

--Zameen 22:57, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Zameen thanks for that fairly detailed account of your evolution in separating the wheat from the chaff! Mine is similar, just the names change a little.

I'm not sure why I have always been interested in things extraterrestrial and the questions about my inner self but it has always been so. I used to be a daydreamer too but that might be because I'm a Pisces to some extent. I have read many books on UFOs over the last 15 years. Sheldon Nidle's book ''You Are Becoming A Galactic Human'' was probably one of the first. It was interesting back in 1994 approx and I also started reading his website updates on the progress of the ''photon belt''. This included claims that when it hits Earth we were going to ascend into the 5th dimension and then they will land (the Galactic Fed of Light). Then we were going to be rejuvenated by their technology I think and become integrated with their society. All very desirable things to a young man of my disposition. These updates on his website got progressively repetitive and sillier until I saw through the illusion and deception. I also bought Barbara Marciniaks book but could not read past the first few chapters. It was simply not what I was looking for I think. The bit about menstrual blood also struck a big discordant note with me too.

Off I then went on a quest to find the real truth behind UFOs and also about my inner self. I read UFO books like ''Alien Liaison'', ''Unearthly Disclosure'' and ''The UFO Encyclopaedia'', and also books on reincarnation such as ''Life After Life''. Gaiaguys have my thanks for telling me about the significance of Billy which resulted in me investigating Billy's writings very thoroughly and making this website what it is today. Of course there are many other contributors who also have my thanks. They know who they are. They should thank themselves silently :)

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 23:33, 24 August 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Jamesm and Zameen,

I was actually looking forward in engaging Drekx more, because in the end he/she was avoiding my questions which was probing his/her knowledge and trickles of contradictions/delusions started to appear.

I do admit, he/she knows quite a bit about BEAM, but is misguided in acknowledging the entire messages and "stuck" on religious dogmas, but who knows, maybe he/she would have a change of heart once we get to "massage" his/her brain a little more? But, you may be right in not letting (he/she quit) the posting sway others away from the truth.

Now, as far as being attracted to Billy's mission, it was more of a chance encounter while doing some research on UFO topics. I've experienced an incident over 15 years ago while suddenly having the urge to look outside the window around 2 AM.

There were about 5 or 6 shinning objects all equally spaced apart just motionless in the sky about 1 mile away. I just looked at it for about several minutes, then in my mind wanted to get a closer look, which it approached and stayed there, now right over the hills only about 100 meters, still all equally spaced apart, but now more defined and exactly the way Billy shows them in his pictures.

At this time, although not trained in telepathy, I tried to contact "it" and got an immediate response which I can only describe as something like being looked over "under a huge microscope", very odd feeling that scared the s%$t out of me.

Instantly all the objects started slowly moving to the right, which in my mind I brushed it off as being a illusion, but at that instant, these objects then moved in a sine way fashion, equally space intervals across the sky!

Also, when I was a 7 year old kid and late for baseball practice, I couldn't reach for my baseball bat which was in a big box. Tried, but couldn't reach it, out of frustration, that bat moved from the far corner and right into my hands!

Also, at times I get dreams of meeting people or experiencing things that in the future, it still happens, but now it's much more interactive, just like in real life sometimes. Actually had 3 separate dreams meeting Jesus Christ and his disciples, the last time I told him to F&^k off and join the creator overlords when he tried to put a crown on my head.

There are more incidents, which I don't want to talk about because it will get others in trouble. And that is why I currently read and study BEAM, but now I'm more interested in the spiritual application and one theory I'm working on called the "Equational Potentials", which I have forwarded to FIGU about 2 weeks ago and gotten no response???

Saalome

--Hawaiian 00:24, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Mark said ... ==

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Drekx was one unique person I'll tell you that but felt had an uncomfortable aura about how DO worded and altered many things. I hope this person finds peace in there many lifetimes or youtube is in danger. :) j/k

--Mark 01:56, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Zameen said ... ==

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you guys are pretty cool

--Zameen 04:31, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Dave said ... ==

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Jamesm,

I think your action was appropriate. This forum should not be a sounding board for those delusional thoughts. As you rightly said, it would bring confusion to others with lies and untruths. This forum should serve only to present new revelations and clarified existing Meier materials.

Very wise, by the way, in using the TJ to guide you.

Dave

--Dave 05:12, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Zameen said ... ==

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could it be that the exchanges afforded to drekx here at this site served as the aforementioned need for more debate on this subject? perhaps this could help he/she in realizing certain truths delusion-ally withheld? or maybe the much needed exploration into our own REAL understanding of such an expansive subject. i have a lot to do!!

--Zameen 05:43, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==

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I have to agree with Hawaiian, in that it’s too bad that all of the comments made by Drekx Omega were completely deleted. In fact, it is extremely unfortunate. Thankfully, people can still read the discussion in the history section of the Talk:Taljda page, if they so desire.

Basically, here’s what the entire conversation boiled down to: Drekx Omega offered information that wasn’t found in the Meier material and that, in some parts, disagreed with it. While some were willing to inquire into why Drekx concludes what he does, others simply attacked him, for no other presented reason than that he was saying things that couldn’t be found anywhere in the Meier material. Then, in response to the fact that Drekx was saying things that couldn’t be found in the Meier material, he was forced into silence and designated as a false prophet.

I would like all who were actively involved in the discussion to consider a few things:

What would have a more positive impact on those who are new to the case and who are visiting a website in order to learn more about it:

1. While looking at a discussion on a particular page, they see that information which doesn’t agree with the Meier material is welcomed and that, nevertheless, logical and polite arguments are presented by those who disagree with such information.
2. While reading a discussion on a page, they see that information which doesn’t agree with the Meier material is baselessly attacked and then silenced into oblivion, for no other presented reason than that it doesn’t agree with the Meier material.

Also, what would be seen by those who are new to the case and who are seeing what is going on in point number 2 above? Would they see individuals - who harshly attack and silence anything that disagrees with them, for evidently no other reason then that they disagree with it - as those who are confident in their worldview and who are actively able to defend it, or would they see such individuals as those who rotely believe in anything that they know their teacher says and who are hopelessly threatened by anything that disagrees with what they know?

Finally, does the second set of individuals described above sound anything like the cult-followers of today?

I must say that I am very disappointed in the discussion that I observed over the past couple of days, and Drekx Omega, if you read this and it means anything to you, I apologize for the misconduct of the many individuals on that thread, who claim to own the truth for themselves. I applaud how you conducted yourself through it all and, by this, see that you are much wiser than those who attacked you.

--Benjamin Stevens 16:06, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Sheila said ... ==

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Hi James, you should actually put everything back and headline it as "illusion of grandeur". As the old saying goes, hold your friends close, and your enemies closer. I don't see it as a bad thing and it may open others eyes to the ways of the liars, deceivers and swindlers. It's good to see what a person is up against and the tools used to defend ourselves, may be of help to others?
(Plus I didn't get to see the "ending" before it was dismantled, lol)

--Sheila 16:09, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Schantz said ... ==

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Below is from the website that Drekx kept promoting. While he's entitled to his opinion, I'm also entitled to mine. I wonder how Meier supporters would have been treated if we went to his website and started insulting him and his information.

Dear world,

If we are to be free human beings, then we must learn to accept God as our Authority.

If we do not accept God as our Authority, then we accept satan or his representatives as our authority.

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To anyone who wants to control you…ask them “WHO IS YOUR AUTHORITY?”….IF THEY ANSWER GOD, THEN THEY MUST PROVE IT IN EVERY THOUGHT THEY COMMUNICATE WITH YOU, INCLUDING HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAWS OF GOD AND CREATION. IF THEY DON’T ANSWER GOD, THEN THEY ARE NOT YOUR AUTHORITY AND THEY NEED TO BE CORRECTED AS TO WHY THEY ARE NOT GOD’S REPRESENTATIVE AND THEREFORE ARE A REPRESENTATIVE OF SATAN. AT THAT POINT YOU MAY REITERATE THAT YOU ARE NOT ENSLAVED BY SATAN AND THAT SATAN’S REPRESENTATIVE IS IN GROSS ERROR, RATHER YOU ARE A FREE BEING OF GOD.

NOTE: GOD WANTS YOU TO KNOW THAT ANY AGREEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE SIGNED WITH SATAN’S REPRESENTATIVES ARE NO
LONGER BINDING, AND THEY NEVER WERE! WHY IS THIS SO? IT IS SO, BECAUSE SATAN’S REPRESENTATIVES HAVE NOT SIGNED THEIR CONTRACTS IN GOOD FAITH, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT OF ANY BINDING CONTRACT. IF YOUR GOVERNMENTS, COURTS, CORPORATIONS, BANKS ARE NOT UNDER GOD, THEN EFFECTIVELY, THEIR CONTRACTS ARE NULL AND VOID. A CONTRACT OF SOMEONE WHO IS OUT TO DESTROY YOU (INNOCULATE YOU WITH POISONS, POISON YOUR AIR, WATER, SOIL AND LIFE)…THIS CONTRACT IS NOT BINDING.

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I for one stand by my comments to Drekx, and have no need to apologize for any misconduct on my part.

--Schantz 17:02, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Schantz said ... ==

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In regards to deleting a poster and his comments that don't agree with the Meier material. One option could be to have a disclaimer at the top of every "talk page", stating something like "people may post information here that goes against the spiritual teaching of Billy Meier."

That way people can have their say whether we agree with them or not.

I do think the rest of this website should be Meier material only and if someone intentionally posts false information then their information should be deleted.

--Schantz 17:35, 25 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Taljda should be of special genesic interest to all Earth people who are of the Chinese racial type, including the Japanese....
As she is of that same racial type, with yellow skin and dark hair, having originated on planet Nissan, near Lasan, in the Lyra star system...

About 26,000 years ago, colonists from Nissan came to Earth and settled, becoming the Chinese and Japanese nations, aeons later...

The Lyra star system possesses several origin planets, from which all Humans derive their genetic makeup...

In Light, Drekx Omega

--Drekx Omega 20:32, 21 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Of linguistic interest and remembering the connection between the ancient Lyran dialect and those of the old German Earth language:

The name Taljda is pronounced; "TAL-YE-DA."
In German the letter "J" pronounced as the letter "Y."

Likewise the famous Plejara named Semjase..
again the "y" pronounciation for the second syllable of the name that means; "demi-goddess."

--Drekx Omega 20:54, 21 August 2010 (BST)
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== Mark said ... ==

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Thanks for the info Drekx Omega. My ? is how did you find that out and what planet are you from? :) j/k I know from the contact reports they were overpopulated so I guess they decided Earth would be a nice place to settle. China hasn't gotten the memo on overpopulation thus they must know so Earth won't suffer a similar fate as past generations have.

--Mark 22:44, 21 August 2010 (BST)
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== Terran said ... ==

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Drekx,

Why is there no mention of the GFL, mass landings, care taker governments, etc. in any of the Meier material?

--Terran 06:58, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Terran,

The Plejaren are not mandated to educate Earth people on the planned First Contact, as that role has been assumed by the Sirians...as from 1994, when the Plejaren offically "retired" from their Earth overseer role...and passed the baton over.

The purpose behind the Meier contacts was to provide Earth humanity with a re-introduction to their roots, with objective evidence of their ET origins...
The Plejaren were never intended to "land on the Whitehouse lawn," as it were...

Unlike the Sirian (from planet Samanet, which orbite Sirius B) contact mission, which was briefly alluded to in the Chapter 6 Extraterrestrials data, which covers some imformation about the projected timeline leading to a planned contact...then suggested as the year 2000, but revised later, following interference from the human elites.

The Samanet Sirians are Galactic Humans, like the Plejaren and gifted Sfath with a Sirian scout ship.

The Chapter 6 section I refer to is titled; "Peaceful ET race to officially visit Earth - 35.P1068-1083."

Here is an extract from this important data:

"Nearly all Pleiadians will retire from the Earth if an unknown human race starts to visit the Earth from the cosmos. The Pleiadians have determined that this will probably occur before 2000 if unanticipated factors before then do not put this enterprise in question. If these negative factors do not develop, humanity on Earth will first officially meet human beings from other worlds around 2000. The first public appearance of these strange visitors will cause horror and panic because of false information concerning extraterrestrials and unreasonable people. But, there will be no danger from these human-like forms because they will be peaceful and harmless. Their culture and spiritual state will be superior to Earth humans." end quote.

These "unknowns" are my people, the Samanet Sirians...as I'm a starseed..
The contact mission was put back several times and is now imminent.

The quote above was from the chapter 6 link here:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Chapter_6_-_EXTRATERRESTRIALS

--Drekx Omega 09:54, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Mark,

I am a Sirian starseed, as mentioned in my answer to Terran.

If you would like to learn more about this, you can visit my blog on the Sirian Star System and contribute your views, if you want to.

http://indianinthemachine.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/drekx-omega-the-sirian-star-system/#comment-7246

--Drekx Omega 10:05, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Drekx, in the interests of truth, we know there are no starseeds and therefore you must be a fraud or even suffering from delusion. I hope you overcome this problem soon.

Peace

James

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 10:15, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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There is a very interesting contact report posted on this excellent website, which covers the subject of the arrest of MIB renegades by Sirian security on the surface of Mars, in 2006...

Topic covered by Ptaah in this contact report:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Men_in_Black,_Mars_and_Meteors

--Drekx Omega 10:19, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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..... As far as i know, no contact will be "iminent", as the Plejaren told those who wanted to land in 2000 to wait a 100-200 years more before doing that, because all the Ufologists and the religions create delusions and that we were not ready yet for an official contact with extraterrestrial humans. One race, i do not know what race anymore (I have to check the contact notes again), but certainly not from Sirius, wanted effectively to land on the planet in 2000 for a contact..... but the Plejaren warned them not to do it and they listened to the Plejaren....

By the way, Billy has still regular contact with the Plejaren.

Salome

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 10:22, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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James,

The great majority of Earth Humans descended from ET ancestors, originally...

An example given above was that wave of colonists from the planet Nissan..

Others came from different planets in the Lyra system, in earlier periods...we call them "ancient Earth souls."

Some ET colonists came more recently, and we call them "starseed." All Earth humans are from off-world, though, as Darwin's theory that we issued from apes, is complete hogwash...

NO MAN IS AN ISLAND, JAMES...although Earth is an island in the cosmos and one visited frequently..

--Drekx Omega 10:29, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Neckel,
you said:"..... As far as i know, no contact will be "iminent", as the Plejaren told those who wanted to land in 2000 to wait a 100-200 years." end quote.

The Plejaren do not want you to treat their words as religious rit, to be observed to the letter...they want you to think for yourself and become self-realised, under the creational laws.

The whole process of First Contact is dependent on the raising of earth human consciousness...freeing humanity from religious delusions, barbaric wars, environmental degradation and economic slavery to debt.
The Plejaren have often made the future appear grim, so as to stimulate a raising of concerns among the readers of the contact notes, so that they will become more active in addressing the real issues...

Prophecies can be altered, timelies can be changed, with consciousness raising...the purpose behind the messages...

Also, as I said, the Plejaren are unofficially involved in this process now...their official overseer role has lapsed to others.

Please try to think for yourself, rather than treating everything written in the notes as a religious text with unbreakable wording, that requires your absolute compliance, as this is not what the Plejaren seek....

--Drekx Omega 10:45, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Interesting words from someone who believes in Hatonn and 2012 ect...... i do not believe anything and i went trough a phase of big sceptiscisme before realizing that the case Billy Meier is real........ We will see if your "friends" will land soon or not ;)

Salome
Nicolas

--Neckel 11:03, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Drekx Omega,

I've checked your website, which unfortunately has images of that impostor Jesus Christ and reading further it mentions "temples" on the surface of your planet another reference to what the Plejaren look upon with disgust.

Also, if what you are saying that the Sirians are taking over in educating Earth humans, then why in Contact Report 141 does the Plejaren went out of their way to bring to Earth the Hasters? Theses human ET's are from the planet Haster in the Garon system of the JENAM galaxy 483 million light years from Earth.

They are about 1,120 years ahead in evolution, but live in the same time-level as the SOL system and are currently based under the North Sea. So if these Hasters are here on Earth to instruct Earth humans, then someone is not telling the truth?

89. However, this now means that the Haster inhabitants can freely move among the Earth people because their vibrations turn out to be bearable with those of the Earth people, but only briefly

90. The Haster inhabitants cannot remain in the direct range of the vibrations of the Earth people for more than 17 hours; otherwise, they begin to lose control of themselves.

91. But since they have this 17-hour possibility, they have decided that they will seek contact with one or several people of the Earth for their study purposes and also for the instruction of the Earth people, but certainly with no more than three people, who must remain silent about it for their lifetimes, which is why especially upright people are to be selected for these contacts, who can be completely trusted.

Therefore, to verify your credentials, please answer the following question. Do you believe that when the victims of interferences (religions, DNA manipulation and other ills) are resolved by themselves, that the abuser's negative links to these negative Cause and Effect are also resolved automatically or still remains negatively unbalanced as far as spiritual evolution is concerned?

--Hawaiian 11:55, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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In response to Hawaiian, the abuser's negative links (blind religions, distorted sciences) to these negative Cause and Effect factors are not resolved automatically and an effort must still be made to bring evolutionary balance, even if the abused subject managed a semblance of self-correction, alone and unaided....

Incidentally I live near the North Sea, coincidentally...East Anglia. :-)

--Drekx Omega 19:53, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Neckel,

I am a guest on the website you visited and not the owner, who is a Canadian who believes in Hatonn, etc...
I do not believe in Hatonn, nor am I a religious follower of the false church, rest assured...

He (the site owner) likes my esoteric and political messages and places them for public discourse...20 blogs to date...

--Drekx Omega 19:58, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Hawaiian,

What I described was not life on planet Erra, but life on planet Samanet....

The "temples" on the surface are not used for "religious worship," but rather serve as harmonically proportioned tools in the co-ordination of geomantic sciences that relate to the maintenance of the good order of nature...
In summary, weather control devices using aetheric and manasic impulse technology, linked to the minds of the ritualists involved...
In this case, the Sirians...

Similar technologies were used on Earth in Atlantean times...a remnant of that culture being that the Pharaohs of Khemet were expected to maintain the good order of nature and would be blamed for pestilence, drought and flood, in spite of loosing true knowledge of the science to antiquity...

--Drekx Omega 20:09, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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"Also, if what you are saying that the Sirians are taking over in educating Earth humans, then why in Contact Report 141 does the Plejaren went out of their way to bring to Earth the Hasters?"

Because they are specialist members of the same Galactic Federation, serving alongside the Sirians and many others...

I would also like to remind everyone here that nobody should treat the contact reports as if they were bible texts, to be quoted and held as a rod to smite unbelievers with....

Each report contains data that may be spot on, may be mis-translated, may even be in error...
And frequently scenarios described a decade ago as a future projection prophecy, may be revised and modified, closer to the time....

One example being the date for WW3, which the Plejaren have projected, yet is still subject to change, as human consciousness permits...
There are multiple timelines and the one we are now on leads to the golden age, in spite of outward appearances to the contrary...

It all depends on human consciousness growth and always remains flexible to factors governed within the creational laws...

Federation plans are being revised continually, so if a certain report, say, in 1976, said something then, it may not be played out closer to the time it was eluding to...
Prophecy can be changed and so can plans and that includes cosmic plans....

--Drekx Omega 20:26, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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1. In response to Hawaiian, the abuser's negative links (blind religions, distorted sciences) to these negative Cause and Effect factors are not resolved automatically and an effort must still be made to bring evolutionary balance, even if the abused subject managed a semblance of self-correction, alone and unaided....
Incidentally I live near the North Sea, coincidentally...East Anglia. :-)

1-q. Obviously the Hasters have no negative links to Earth humans except being linked in similar evolutionary level attributes without the negative influences done to them. It is a logical strategic “arrangement” not just for both parties on each side of this equation, (Haster humans = Earth humans), but more importantly other factions both benevolent and malevolent involved since and before the Creator Overlords co-created the manipulated warriors currently living here.
So in essence, where does your affiliation stand on this matter, what negative links are your mission trying to resolve if any, is it mutual or singular or in any way related to those responsible for many degenerative factors against Earth humans? What are you trying to accomplish and would your mission preclude any type of intervention should the need arise in “preserving” those both Earthly and ET from completing their missions for Creational harmony?
2. Because they are specialist members of the same Galactic Federation, serving alongside the Sirians and many others...
I would also like to remind everyone here that nobody should treat the contact reports as if they were bible texts, to be quoted and held as a rod to smite unbelievers with....
2-q. What type of “specialists” are these Hasters and also what are yours? Are you speaking of the same Plejaren Federation referred by you as the “Galactic Federation”? These are questions that will be forwarded to FIGU for further analysis as it opens up a slew of “optional” approaches that, depending on each motivational attribute(s) at their particular level of evolution, becomes chaotic without proper guidance and application and can be very dangerous as well.
So far, you have answered most of my questions unfailingly, but have not made any suggestions or attempted some type of commitment incorporating one’s linkage to mutually assist the dilemma facing the most oppressed, degenerated environment in the DERN universe.
Now, referencing to Contact Reports can sometimes appear to “become” similar to biblical quotations, it is a guide which requires logical assumptions in order to clarify and establish if there are parallel “intent” for matters outside of these Notes. It is not a rod to smite unbelievers, but more like a slap to invoke awareness in others who need such a jolt of good medicine!

--Hawaiian 23:04, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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1. In response to Hawaiian, the abuser's negative links (blind religions, distorted sciences) to these negative Cause and Effect factors are not resolved automatically and an effort must still be made to bring evolutionary balance, even if the abused subject managed a semblance of self-correction, alone and unaided....
Incidentally I live near the North Sea, coincidentally...East Anglia. :-)

1-q. Obviously the Hasters have no negative links to Earth humans except being linked in similar evolutionary level attributes without the negative influences done to them. It is a logical strategic “arrangement” not just for both parties on each side of this equation, (Haster humans = Earth humans), but more importantly other factions both benevolent and malevolent involved since and before the Creator Overlords co-created the manipulated warriors currently living here.
So in essence, where does your affiliation stand on this matter, what negative links are your mission trying to resolve if any, is it mutual or singular or in any way related to those responsible for many degenerative factors against Earth humans? What are you trying to accomplish and would your mission preclude any type of intervention should the need arise in “preserving” those both Earthly and ET in completing their missions for Creational harmony?

2. Because they are specialist members of the same Galactic Federation, serving alongside the Sirians and many others...

I would also like to remind everyone here that nobody should treat the contact reports as if they were bible texts, to be quoted and held as a rod to smite unbelievers with....
2-q. What type of “specialists” are these Hasters and also what are yours? Are you speaking of the same Plejaren Federation referred by you as the “Galactic Federation”?

These are questions that will be forwarded to FIGU for further analysis as it opens up a slew of “optional” approaches that, depending on each motivational attribute(s) at their particular level of evolution, becomes chaotic without proper guidance and application and can be very dangerous as well for both parties.

So far, you have answered most of my questions unfailingly, but have not made any suggestions or attempted some type of commitment incorporating one’s linkage to mutually assist the dilemma facing the most oppressed, degenerated environment in the DERN universe.

Now, referencing to Contact Reports can sometimes appear to “become” similar to biblical quotations, it is a guide which requires logical assumptions in order to clarify and establish if there are parallel “intent” for matters outside of these Notes. It is not a rod to smite unbelievers, but more like a slap to invoke awareness in others who need such a jolt of good medicine!

--Hawaiian-correction copy 23:11, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Terran said ... ==

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Drekx,

Why have the Sirians not provided the types of proofs for their representatives here to verify their authenticity as genuine contactees in a manner similar to what the Plejaren provided Billy Meier. Such as photographs, videos, sound recordings, metal samples, prophecies etc.?

--Terran 23:49, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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In response to Terran, the Samanet Sirians are here for a different purpose than the Plejaren, in so far as the Plejaren role was to provide objective proofs as well as historical and spiritual corrections...
They used a very unique ancient Earth Soul (Meier) to accomplish what, by and large, has succeded in placing Earth evolution upon a timeline that leads to a more positive future, as opposed to destructive war and oblivion, as was the case without their input...
They were never here to "save" humanity, although the cause and effect of their presence has weighed in favour of a type of "saving," in terms of educating many to a higher awareness..thus Earth humans helping themselves, and respect for freewill always honoured.

In contrast, the Sirians and the Galactic Federation have a much closer mission to complete on Earth, again within the remit of freewill. BUT EVOLVING FREEWILL....

As human consciousness expands, freewill is expressed that allows that closer aid, to help humanity help themselves...

Because of the Plejaren, so many more Earth humans are resisting the negative steriotypes of "aliens" being "invaders" seeking to control. So a closer fear-free protocol can be permitted, which would have been impossible a decade or more ago...

The Plejaren Federation is part of a greater cosmic union, known as the Galactic Federation..which in turn has higher representation, linking the 3rd density with much higher densities of lifeforms...

The Plejaren were mandated to speak about their experiences with Meier, primarily. His role is unique in that sense, as the most advanced ancient Earth Soul on earth....however, the Sirians have their own contacts among a few different types of Souls on Earth, which have a more direct genetic-family link...they are called "starseeds" and although incarnated on Earth, are not strictly linked with this planet alone, within creational laws..

This leads on to some important data:

There is a cosmic energy that can alter the genetic makeup of all human beings, including Earth humans, so that they may be released from planetary bondage...the Sirians are working with this energy to "save" Earth humanity from destruction, within Creational law, freewill parameters...

That cosmic vril (life force) emminates from the galactic core in pulses and is alluded to in contact report 220...in 1987, the year of the "harmonic convergence."

Please note that Quetzal claimed to be unaware of this EM lifeforce, in spite of Billy's reassurance that he had been briefed on the veracity of it's truth, gleaned by him from the memory banks of Henok.

Billy was stating an esoteric and scientific truism and that important truth is one that will be revealed by the Sirian GFL First Contact mission to Earth Humanity. It is one of the most significant contact reports in relation to the evolutionary destiny of Earth humans.

The Sirians have a historic duty to aid Earth human genetic correction, in a spirit of love and compassion. This will bring peace to Earth and the cosmos and allow Earth to flourish and gain membership of the Galactic Federation of Light.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_220

--Drekx Omega 09:48, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Movella said ... ==

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well done Drekx keep up the good work, very inspirational.
Looking forward to meeting my space family and all of the other 5th dimentional beings of light.

--Movella 10:36, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== MarksmanR said ... ==

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Drekx, starseeds do not exist, you are not a Sirian starseed, you are not in contact with Sirians, the Sirians are not in contact with the Plejaren and are not part of their federation, and you cannot access the storage banks.

You falsify FIGU information with your own and with false new-age and religious ideas and stories. You're either a big deliberate liar or you're delusional.

--[[User:MarksmanR|MarksmanR]] 17:28, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Upon further analysis, this so called Dretz Omega, although quite accomplished in disseminating correctly many of the materials brought forth by Billy and the Plejaren and my accomplished friends here on this site, he or she FAILS to bring any more awareness or support this mission!

For one, why do someone try to DECEIVE Billy's work by using a website that depicts images of one of the most evil manifestations (Jesus Christ) created by the Giza Intelligence (New Testament) that murdered millions, if not billions of Earth humans and distorted Jmmanuel's teachings. And to further support this assumption, why do you use the religious term "SOUL" in your answers, which by Creational definition, soul DOES NOT EXIST, only the Spirit?

Dretx Omega, you should be ashamed of your attempts to discredit BEAM, the Plejaren and others by posing as some Sirian to assist Earth humans through parallel assumptions combined with subtle references and distortions, designed to sway others off course to satisfy you delusional quest of a uncontrollable EGO!

You have not addressed the last set of questions posed to you and only scratched the surface without much deeper understanding of the complexity regarding these issues, therefore, why would the Plejaren "hand off" this mission to you or the Sirians if you DO NOT understand the issues in the first place?

So, I would like to thank each and everyone of you for supporting this mission and exposing the continuing effort by others to distort and manipulate BEAM's important messages. Aloha

--Hawaiian 19:12, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Dave said ... ==

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Oops. You forgot to use a different ip address Movella, or should I say Drekx Omega. Pathetic. Check the recent changes log.

--Dave 20:16, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Terran said ... ==

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Drekx,

That's all very interesting but I didn't ask about that information.

What I asked was:

Why have the Sirians not provided the types of proofs for their representatives here to verify their authenticity as genuine contactees in a manner similar to what the Plejaren provided Billy Meier. Such as photographs, videos, sound recordings, metal samples, prophecies etc.?

Could you answer this question?

--Terran 20:37, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Interesting how the assumption is made by blind individuals posting her that the Sirians are not in contact with the Plejaren.....

Strange, since BEAM did document that Sfath received a gift from the Samanet Sirians of a scout ship...

Yes, Movella is known to me and used my computer to post her kind response...she is close...

And I keep getting accused by some here of using a website that "depicts images of one of the most evil manifestations, Jesus Christ," and I have to remind you that I'm not the site owner, but a guest writer for his site...

You are all treating the Meier material as if it were indeed a new religion and you are not applying his teachings or those of Jmmanuel, in your own lives, or on this board...

If Meier and the Pejaren wanted zombies who march in step I'm sure you lot are playing your mediocre parts very well...

Unfortunately, the Plejaren are in need of evolving consciousness humans, who can help to end the mess created here...so keep bickering as if this were a catholic debate, and let the planet sort itself out...

I see much hostility and very little wisdom demonstrated by the naysayers here...

--Drekx Omega 21:17, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Drekx I don't think the Plejaren need us at all. They felt an obligation to make some amends for the wrong actions of their ancestors'. They assist with the evolution of many civilisations throughout the universe according to the contact notes.

Anyway, why are you posting here? Your unsubstantiated claims are quite amusing to some, annoying to others it seems and so it serves little purpose other than light entertainment and wasted evenings at the computer!

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Jamesm,

Please let me know what kind of contributions participants on this board are expected to make...to date I have seen nothing original from any of you...

Are you a mix of objectivists of the nuts and bolts school of physical proofery only...??

Some have asked for proof and I have only just started posting here recently...such unwelcoming behaviour to a visitor here...you do not strike me as enlightened, wise, knowledgeable or spiritual people, especially yourself..

So why do you post here..?? to tell us nothing other than what Meier has already told us..??

You are probably wasting your time here, sir..!

Eath humans are indeed agressive, self opinionated and small-minded when confronted with new material...they need proof straight away...did Meier provide proof straight away..?

I have also been accused of undermining Meier by expressing my truth, but what would Jmmanuel teach to those who become aware of truth from within..? To suppress it and obey external authority..??

Try thinking more, my friend..

--Drekx Omega 21:39, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Drekx I don't want proof of the material kind from you. I don't blindly take everything Meier has written as truth either. I view it all as probably true given the huge amount of evidence backing him up; evidence of several kinds. I know I may seem aggressive sometimes and others too. There is something I like to say now again to my wife: I'm not perfect, no one is.

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 21:47, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Drekx you said, ''The Plejaren Federation is part of a greater cosmic union, known as the Galactic Federation..which in turn has higher representation, linking the 3rd density with much higher densities of lifeforms...''

This is new to me. Where did you obtain that info?

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 21:50, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Dare I say it, from the Samanet Sirians, who are relatives of mine...

Look... I know this goes against the grain of what Meier was saying about him being the only contactee in the world, but really, he is not the only contactee...because he actually meant the ancient Earth spirits, of which he is the most advanced and thus his virtual unique situation and role...among them, the majority.

However, he was deliberately not told by the Plejaren of several others in Europe who do communicate with off-worlders, especially the starseeds, who incarnated more recently upon this planet, than the vast majority of diverse Earth humans...

I am not here to convert your beliefs, but sometimes it is wiser to allow flexibility, as spirit is continually taking the timelines by surprise, as consciousness is changed in the Earth population and in individuals...

I can access some data from the higher planes naturally. This does not mean I'm trying to replace Meier, because his job is unique, but we all have varying roles in this evolutionary process of spirit...degrees of access, in stages, as we grow.

--Drekx Omega 22:17, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Schantz said ... ==

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Drekx Omega,

Can you access your higher planes data for me and find out when I'll get my next hair cut and oil change?

--Schantz 22:25, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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Talk:Sirian

2010-08-23T21:18:44Z

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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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The Sirians are highly evolved galactic Human beings, like the Plejaren and share genetic roots with them and Earth humans, that issue from the Lyra star system...

The Sirian Star system is comprised of nine stars of different classifications…
Sirius B is where the Solar Logos is located we name “Akanowai” (place of the Great Blue Lodge.)

To name but a few actively engaged First Contact S&E Fleet Crew Sirian contacts:

Vashtar, Kalestra, Atura, Sandara & Mikala.

They all originate from Sirius B-4….that is planet “Samanet” which is the 4th planet in the Sirius B, 6-planet system…

This planet is slightly smaller than Earth and possesses one vast interlocked continent named “Sakara” (the soul of female creativity.)
Surrounding the continent of Sakara is an ocean that makes up 18% of the planetary surface area…The oxygen content in the pristine atmosphere totals 36%, so is higher than the atmosphere on Earth…

Most Sirians live within the planet, but some have dwellings upon the surface as well…
The Sirian sky maintains a constant purple hue… there are two natural moons, which are both larger than Earth’s moon.
Commander Vashtar lives in the foothills of the majestic mountain range named “Shadota” (the many fingers of Heaven.)

Vashtar is a Sirian Ascended Master who has attained the rank of “IHWH,” which is the 7th cosmic degree….also known as “Jschwjsch” and pronounced; “ish wish.”
He is a highly advanced galactic human, who stands over seven feet tall, perfectly proportioned, is well built, has an oblong head, with thick shoulder-length, golden blond hair….his eyes are blue and piercing, and he has thin lips and very “nordic” features…exuding great love and wisdom…combined with razor sharp intelligence…
By Earth standards, he appears to be in his early twenties, but it rapidly dawns on anyone communicating with him that he is actually much older in terms of knowledge and wisdom…
His actual age (for this incarnation) is 550 solar years. The average life-span for Sirians being 2000 years.

He wears either his Clan robes, which are royal purple, or he wears a special (IHWH) jump-suit, which is pale metallic blue, with gold insignia braid on each shoulder….unlike the standard Sirian white jump-suits, worn by his deputies and other officers…
He has four wives and seven children…
Earth had been under Plejaren spiritual juristriction for thousands of years and that cosmic “supervision” ended on April 24th 1994 (1 Muluc, 12 Kankin, 2 Caban) when the Sirians replaced the Plejaren in that official role….

Though unofficially, the Plejaren remain and continue their support work..
The former Plejaren Jschwjsch in effective responsibility for Earth was Ptah…and his role has been taken on by the Sirian Governing Council representative and Jschwjsch, Vashtar…now representing the Galactic Federation of Light, under the authority of Supreme Fleet Commander Atura..a past master of First Contact procedures, and I believe, more able than the Plejaren Federation at making the process work…

Sandara is Sirian and the chief organiser for the planned tours aboard the mothership, following First Contact.
She was born in the hamlet of Bregge, on the Kearonet plateau, in the central highlands of Planet Samanet’s outer continent of Sakara….

If you may remember, Samanet is the 4th planet within the Sirius B star system…
She has extensive duty experience with the S&E Fleet, and has been on duty for the last 20 earth years, aboard various ships in the Federation fleets…involved with First Contact.
She stands at a perfectly proportioned 6′ 1″, which is the case with most Sirian women, who average six inches taller than Plejara…Strikingly good looking, by Earth standards, she has a proud and sometimes haughty poise, with distinguished aquilline nose, brown-green eyes, long thick straight golden hair and appears to be 18-years of age, by Earth standards, but is actually much older, and totals 192 years…The average age of Samanet Sirians being 2000 years of physical life..
She wears either the purple and gold dresses and gowns, favoured by her clan, or she wears the standard white jump-suit, while on duty….

On the surface of Samanet there are no cities, towns or villages, at all….as part of a deliberate policy to maintain the surface, primarily for the planetary guardianship purpose of ritual….so there are vast temple complexes, only, upon the surface, as well as hamlets and small dwellings.
Most Sirians live within the planet, inner-Samanet, within the crystal cities of great splendor…which are grown, rather than built, in the conventional way…
Some Sirians, within priestly clans, seek surface dwellings as well, in order to be at hand near the temples…
There are individual dome-shaped houses, surrounded by beautiful gardens and occupied by individuals and their families…
When common work and purpose compel a closer proximity for joint ritual, within clans, and between clans, then hamlets are set up to house a special “podlet,” which Sirians call “bhada,” which is a podlet consisting of a maximum of 64 individuals….
If there is a purpose that stipulates the neccessity to reside upon the planetary surface, then the bhada is housed within a hamlet of several dome-shaped dwellings in closer proximity, than normal..
Sandara was born in such a hamlet and it’s name was Bhada Bregge..”podlet of the temple bridge.”

This data was extracted from my article at this link:

http://indianinthemachine.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/drekx-omega-the-sirian-star-system/#comment-7246

--Drekx Omega 21:37, 22 August 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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The information provided by Drekx should be ignored as it is entirely false.

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 01:00, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Mark said ... ==

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I saw that hoax on youtube Drekx about the Guardian of Light Federation, don't fall for it. That's known as the special effects studio with proper lighting.:)

--Mark 01:12, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Sheila said ... ==

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This is a perfect time to re-read contact report 233:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_233
Vashtar sounds way too much like Ashtar. So Drekx, take your vashtar and shove it up your ashtar.

--Sheila 01:51, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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In spite of similar names, Ashtar Sheran is not the same ET as the one I described...

Glad to get you guys thinking outside of your box, though...

Keep expanding your consciousness..you'll get there eventually...

--Drekx Omega 10:04, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Dear Drekx Omega,

Sorry for what i said to you concerning Hatonn, my mistake. :-/

But i am still not of your opinion and i do not think that a 5'th Dimension exists under the form that you write on your homepage. Because my studies in environmental sciences, which are still ongoing and my interest in nature, which is much older then my membership in FIGU, tell me that all is very simple in its construction.

No offence eather, if this is your opinion i wish you good luck on your further way.

We are not a religious "believer" bunch, even if some sometimes exagerate or tend to missionize, but if it makes you happy you can see us like that. I know who i am and what i want. ;)

Salome.

Nicolas

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 13:42, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Neckel,

No that is fine, my friend....please pursue your own path and I salute you....

One day a firm bridge will link objective science with metaphysics and then Earth culture will be richer for it...

Maybe the objectve scientist could think of the fairly sound postulation of "string theory" in order to at least open the door upon discovery of the higher planes of existance...??
A state of matter has been acknowledged to exist above gaseous and that would be plasma...so a start, as there are higher states still... :-)

Kind regards, Drekx

--Drekx Omega 15:17, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Sheila said ... ==

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Hi Drekx, just two questions for you. Who did you get this information from and how did you receive it?

--Sheila 15:27, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Sheila,

Do you mean how do I know what I know, with regards to plasma and gaseous states of matter, or my own point in evolution..which allows me to tap the memory banks of higher planes?? It is through myself that I recieve all data...but once one does this one attracts the interest of those who seek out the seekers...

I am not at liberty to divulge my point in evolution and how I know what I know, but I sincerely hope you can know what I know, as well, at some stage...!! :-)

Sorry if this sounds fasicious it is not intended to be...

--Drekx Omega 15:38, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Suv said ... ==

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Drekx Omega, I thought you are a clever individual doing great job evoking curiosity about your site in this wiki and you are just one among thousands of frauds doing what you do and claiming what you are (with no proof and only a big-mouth). But just having visited your site, I think you are in need of medical attention. A dopamine suppressant would be excellent treatment for your paranoid schizophrenia variety at this stage. Waiting longer would make you responsive only to electroconvulsive therapy.

Others, are encouraged to read [[Contact Report 257]].

--[[User:Suv|Suv]] 18:12, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== zameen said ... ==

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Drekx: do you channel pleadians? Do you also hide behind a computer voice and use soothing words to deliver the extremely convenient evolutionary leap forward? Do you reserve the crystal evolution chambers underground in antarctica or is one waiting for each of us? I want my chamber next to George Green and Gumby.

--zameen 18:24, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Sheila said ... ==

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Hi Drekx, I simply asked who you got this information from. A name or something would be sufficient. Or did you just dream it up based on some information that you already knew? If you're so highly evolved how come you didn't know that you're not the only one who can access the memory banks? Just trying to determine if this "story" is one of the 9 stories out there, that we were warned against.

--Sheila 21:46, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==

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Suv,

Just anoher reminder to all that the site is not actually mine, rather I'm a guest writer for it...so unfortunately, and I agree with you all, there are absurd religious icons and references to the frauds Haaton and Jesus and Ashtar Sheran, who has not been channeled since 1983...

As a guest, you sometimes have to mix the rough with the smooth, with a degree of tolerance...

I hope you can appreciate that I'm not a churchist devotee type, but likewise, I don't want to see the Meier material being treated like holy rit or Papal bull, either, attracting blind and devoted following, from a new breed of Earth humans...

We must all break the cycle of blind obediance to "authority norms." Only the creational laws are real, everything else is window dressing, so that is my stance...

--Drekx Omega 21:53, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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== Schantz said ... ==

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Drekx Omega,

You are one cool dude! I totally dig the name. You've really got it going on space brother.

Can you post where I should send my money to support you immense wisdom and profound message?

I know a genuine know it all when I see one, and I want to do whatever it takes to promote your well deserved incredible ego.

I'll be waiting for your wisdomal response. Is wisdomal a word? I'm not sure, but I bet you will know and you'll set me straight on my vocabulary and my way of thinking.

In amazement and of astonishment of your being,

Schantz

--Schantz 22:18, 23 August 2010 (BST)
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